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Old 01-15-2020, 07:21 PM
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It doesn't look like I'll be able to properly "Notarize" apps in Mojave
using Xcode 10, so I have (just recently) setup Catalina on an external drive.
Hopefully there will be progress soon. The core task of Notariation isn't that
complicated, but getting all the necessary bits in place will be time consuming,
especially as I will need to update the big script that does a full
Numerology build (app, rewire, & plugins for both SE and Pro).

Over the holidays there was a fair bit of progress on Numerology 5. After much
experimenation and a few false starts, I have now committed to re-writing the UI
in C++ on top of Apple's Metal graphics API, with a healthy dose of abstraction to
make it portable to other openGL-ish APIs.

This is great news in terms of resolution independence, retina support, etc., but
of course, porting all the current Objective C code is a pretty big task. Nonetheless,
I intend to press on. I am already finding Apple developer examples that are available in
Swift but not Objective-C, so the writing is already on the wall there: Time to move on.

I plan to pickup a Launchpad X soon -- probably the MINI variety this time.
It looks like the same layout as a Launchpad Pro in 'Developer' mode, so support
may be easy -- indeed, may just work.

Cheers,
Jim
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Old 01-15-2020, 09:05 PM
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there's a long thread i was tracking at kvr about all the hoops people are jumping through to notify plug ins in catalina. sounds like a right pain in the ass.

how are things looking for supporting previous OS versions? will Mojave be as far back as will be supported?
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Old 01-16-2020, 09:00 AM
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It doesn't look like I'll be able to properly "Notarize" apps in Mojave
using Xcode 10, so I have (just recently) setup Catalina on an external drive.
Hopefully there will be progress soon. The core task of Notariation isn't that
complicated, but getting all the necessary bits in place will be time consuming,
especially as I will need to update the big script that does a full
Numerology build (app, rewire, & plugins for both SE and Pro).

Over the holidays there was a fair bit of progress on Numerology 5. After much
experimenation and a few false starts, I have now committed to re-writing the UI
in C++ on top of Apple's Metal graphics API, with a healthy dose of abstraction to
make it portable to other openGL-ish APIs.

This is great news in terms of resolution independence, retina support, etc., but
of course, porting all the current Objective C code is a pretty big task. Nonetheless,
I intend to press on. I am already finding Apple developer examples that are available in
Swift but not Objective-C, so the writing is already on the wall there: Time to move on.

I plan to pickup a Launchpad X soon -- probably the MINI variety this time.
It looks like the same layout as a Launchpad Pro in 'Developer' mode, so support
may be easy -- indeed, may just work.

Cheers,
Jim
Great Jim,
I appreciate that kind of info
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Old 01-21-2020, 02:41 PM
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there's a long thread i was tracking at kvr about all the hoops people are jumping through to notify plug ins in catalina. sounds like a right pain in the ass.
Thanks for the tip -- I should check it out.

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how are things looking for supporting previous OS versions? will Mojave be as far back as will be supported?
Mojave will be fine. Metal was added with El Capitan (10.11), so theoretically as far back as that, but I suspect I will have to pick a later SDK to avoid Xcode drama -- so let's say Mojave for now.

Cheers,
Jim
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Old 01-22-2020, 07:23 PM
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Thanks for the tip -- I should check it out.



Mojave will be fine. Metal was added with El Capitan (10.11), so theoretically as far back as that, but I suspect I will have to pick a later SDK to avoid Xcode drama -- so let's say Mojave for now.

Cheers,
Jim
was hoping for high sierra 10.13.6 which is as recent as my laptop will go. desktop is mojave and that's as far as it'll go. mojave gets me half way there which is probably good enough. my 2011 laptop will get replaced eventually.

here's a link to the KVR thread. started in september.. most recent post is a couple days ago. lot's of hoops being jumped through by different devs. 13 pages of fun! good luck!

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewt...?f=33&t=531663

thanks for the update Jim.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:14 PM
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was hoping for high sierra 10.13.6 which is as recent as my laptop will go. desktop is mojave and that's as far as it'll go. mojave gets me half way there which is probably good enough. my 2011 laptop will get replaced eventually.
I'll try to get an official OS requirement out this spring. Technically any Mac OS / hardware that supports Metal should work, but sometimes there are bugs the first year or so.

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here's a link to the KVR thread. started in september.. most recent post is a couple days ago. lot's of hoops being jumped through by different devs. 13 pages of fun! good luck!

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewt...?f=33&t=531663

thanks for the update Jim.
Thanks for the link!!

Cheers,
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Old 01-27-2020, 11:41 PM
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Thanks Jim!
Was waiting on the Launchpad MK3 Mini for just this
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Old 02-05-2020, 10:56 PM
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here's a link to the KVR thread. started in september.. most recent post is a couple days ago. lot's of hoops being jumped through by different devs. 13 pages of fun! good luck!

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewt...?f=33&t=531663
Thanks again for the link -- saved me loads of time! I've got an app build that runs and activates on Catalina, and the N4 VST loads in Live 10.1.X, the only snag left is getting N4 to load AU plugins properly. It can load the DLS Synth but not Diva yet.

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Old 02-06-2020, 12:54 AM
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Thanks again for the link -- saved me loads of time! I've got an app build that runs and activates on Catalina, and the N4 VST loads in Live 10.1.X, the only snag left is getting N4 to load AU plugins properly. It can load the DLS Synth but not Diva yet.

Jim
cool. glad it was helpful.

Diva was recently updated btw. adds much improved multi-core support.

i'm still lingering in high sierra on the 2011 laptop without metal support and mojave on the desktop with metal support but no AVX instructions on the 2010 mac pro.. but if there's any beta stuff I can help by running it on my ancient tech just let me know.

edit: took the plunge and found a deal on a used mac book pro so i'll be all mojave but with the 2011 macbook finding new duties. yay. shrug.
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Old 02-12-2020, 02:28 AM
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It doesn't look like I'll be able to properly "Notarize" apps in Mojave
using Xcode 10, so I have (just recently) setup Catalina on an external drive.
Hopefully there will be progress soon. The core task of Notariation isn't that
complicated, but getting all the necessary bits in place will be time consuming,
especially as I will need to update the big script that does a full
Numerology build (app, rewire, & plugins for both SE and Pro).

Over the holidays there was a fair bit of progress on Numerology 5. After much
experimenation and a few false starts, I have now committed to re-writing the UI
in C++ on top of Apple's Metal graphics API, with a healthy dose of abstraction to
make it portable to other openGL-ish APIs.

This is great news in terms of resolution independence, retina support, etc., but
of course, porting all the current Objective C code is a pretty big task. Nonetheless,
I intend to press on. I am already finding Apple developer examples that are available in
Swift but not Objective-C, so the writing is already on the wall there: Time to move on.

I plan to pickup a Launchpad X soon -- probably the MINI variety this time.
It looks like the same layout as a Launchpad Pro in 'Developer' mode, so support
may be easy -- indeed, may just work.

Cheers,
Jim
thanks for the update .. very interesting to read
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